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reviews_and_ramblings ([personal profile] reviews_and_ramblings) wrote2008-12-12 02:41 pm

Little rant

Please, publishers (general but I have a clear name in mind...) if you release a story where a woman is having a lot of sex with two men, please, please, don't try to pass it as a M/M, please don't put it under the "gay/lesbian" genre... if you are really convinced that the gay romance or M/M romance is a passing fashion, and that the future is a menage between a woman and two men, so, be true to your claim, and use your "menage a trois or more" genre, and let the "poor" gay romance alone in their "reserve".

If you are wondering why I'm ranting, well, enough to say that I just read an unbelievable blurb tagged as M/M...

[identity profile] erastes.livejournal.com 2008-12-12 05:31 pm (UTC)(link)
It depends on the book, certainly. If she's just having sex with two men, then that's menage,but a menage can also be labelled m/m - m/m/f or whatever. A good example is Madelynne Ellis' Gentlemans Wager and its sequel, where the men were in a relationship before, and one of the men is chasing the other - the woman gets in the way and it turns into a 3 way thing - even when they have sex, it's as much about the men pleasing each other as much as it is pleasing her.

It seems to me - if he's already in a gay relationship when the girl arrives, then yes, it's just become bisexual and m/m/f.

It sounds ghastly though and I wouldn't touch it with a faery bargepole.

[identity profile] elisa-rolle.livejournal.com 2008-12-12 06:00 pm (UTC)(link)
All right, so tag it M/M/F, instead the publisher tagged it M/M. It happened in the past that I bought a book tagged M/M without reading carefully the blurb, and I found out that it was a M/F/M with only a very light and not relevant M/M scene. The starting point of the story then was a M/F relationship and the second male was added for pleasing the woman...

[identity profile] lee-rowan.livejournal.com 2008-12-12 08:44 pm (UTC)(link)
It's the sprouting wings that really puts me off; I don't care what gender the character is, unless s/he is a dragon hatchling. And lizard sex holds no attraction for me.

[identity profile] elisa-rolle.livejournal.com 2008-12-12 08:49 pm (UTC)(link)
LOL But then also Trilly has wings, and she is sexy! Anyway this "sprouting wings" thing seems to generate more hilarity than interest :-)

[identity profile] lee-rowan.livejournal.com 2008-12-12 09:00 pm (UTC)(link)
I tend to get technical, thinking about the mechanics of the activity. One partner with wings, on top... okay. Both partners? Unless they mate like eagles, on the wing (tricky to manage indoors,) somebody's likely to wind up with some damaged primaries. I'd rather write stories where the lovin' is so good both partners feel like they're flying.

[identity profile] elisa-rolle.livejournal.com 2008-12-12 09:07 pm (UTC)(link)
This reminds me an English writer (Jules are you listening me...) who got techinical when writing a sex scene with shapeshifter dolphin... reading that scene I was fearing that one of the partner was drowning! Anyway she gave all the right reason for the scene to be like that. Moral: if you write something be prepared to justify it! Elisa

[identity profile] erastes.livejournal.com 2008-12-12 09:17 pm (UTC)(link)
*sporfles* Yes, well - yes. That clinched it for me, too!!

:)

[identity profile] elisa-rolle.livejournal.com 2008-12-12 09:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Actually there is a futuristic gay romance dealing with half lizards men, but it's still in my reading list, guess why...

[identity profile] lee-rowan.livejournal.com 2008-12-13 03:40 am (UTC)(link)
I don't really care that much whether a story is m/m or f/f/, f/f/m, m/m/f, etc. so long as the characters wind up together for some better reason than "gawd, s/he's hawt." The quality of the writing, the believability, is what counts. Human beings with human motivations, that's fine.

I have no problem with the idea of polyamory, for someone else, but the logistics of it...! One partner is about all I can keep up with, even if I do appreciate teh pretteh boys. And the practical intrudes, again... whoever got stuck in the middle would have a tough time getting to the bathroom at 3 in the morning.

[identity profile] erastes.livejournal.com 2008-12-13 09:01 am (UTC)(link)
*laughs* Sod that - I'd just clamber! But I agree, there's nothing I like less than INSTANT SUE JUST ADD WATER.

[identity profile] elisa-rolle.livejournal.com 2008-12-13 09:23 am (UTC)(link)
You should read Big Enough for Five by Willa Okati (it refers to the bedroom)... they had only one bathroom, if I remember well, and there is a sequel with a sixth man! Elisa