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reviews_and_ramblings ([personal profile] reviews_and_ramblings) wrote2009-03-26 09:24 am

The ramblings part of the journal

I really should let not the spur of the moment drives me, but it's the second time that I slept very bad since I had a not nice conversation soon before going sleep. Since I was careless enough to start this thing online, even if then continued in private, if there are people who witnessed to that, please don't make name, I really am not writing this to bring damage to another person, but only since, if I take it inside, it will burst later in a bigger way.

More or less 2 months ago I received a nice review request, and a lot of you know that I really appreciate those. It was from a new author and new publisher, so I was even more glad. Have you notice that I give priority to new authors and publishers? It would easy enough to raise comments on famous authors, but I really think that even the newest author deserves a first chance. I'm not sure but I think that I'm quite alone in doing so, and I believe so since many authors wrote to me telling that I was their "first". And most of the time I already bought the book when they ask a review, it happened only yesterday with two requests, I already had the book.

Anyway when that request arrived I was pretty clear with that author, I said that I didn't buy the book by myself since I believed it was a menages with a woman on the side, and you all know that I don't really like them. The author assured me that it was not and so I accepted the book. I even read it as soon as possible, to give the author as much more visibility near the release date as possible. I started the post giving a warning to the content of the book, specifying that it was not a menages, and received comments, even from the author, saying that many people didn't understand it and was grateful for the warning.

Then nothing for a month; after a month another review site reviewed the same book, starting the post in the same way as me, warning the readers on the content of the book; at that point the author (or the publisher) realized that they were losing readers and took the right measures. All right, two voices are better than one, but now the author is thanking that second review site saying that all started on it. I gently made notice that it was not exactly like that and the author in different comments replied to me that:

1) maybe my review had not so much space or visibility... yes right, that month my LJ had 13.300 single visits when the average for a review site is 3.000/4.000 (those are the standard to be considered "review site"), and the review remained in the front page for a week, I always try to not let them shift on second page for a reason, you know?

2) maybe people didn't read the review since I'm not enough M/M focused (on the contrary of the other review site) and so people didn't understand that it was not a polyamour book... yes, right, if I was more M/M focused I would be a man! I reviewed 1057 books at yesterday and only 20 are M/F and only 73 are menages, and among the menages only 9 with a woman, so 29 books with a woman in 1057 means a 2% of all my reviews.

3) maybe on the other review site the post received more response from people... yes, right, my review received 22 comments from 6 different people, 4 of them not involved directly with me or the author, on the other site it received 16 comments all from reviewers of that site other than 1. 22 comments... yesterday the post in which I featured Allan Hollinghurst, winner of a booker prize, received 17 comments...

So am I taking all this wrong? Should I stick with Man Candy Posts, Gay Romance Movies, and reviews of books that will be read anyway? Should I write reviews in which I say that every book is terrific? Should I ignore a review request from an unknown author and publisher till some other review site spend its time to "taste" it in advance? I know that the answers to all these questions is NO, but authors please, when you send me a book to review could at least take a look at my LJ? NOT ENOUGH M/M FOCUSED?!?!

[identity profile] elisa-rolle.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 05:54 pm (UTC)(link)
shakes head back. Now I'm back at home, I took something for the headache and I start to see things better. Elisa
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[personal profile] julesjones 2009-03-26 06:57 pm (UTC)(link)
What everyone else said.

It's very obvious this author wasn't familiar with your blog, but simply sent the book to you because they had heard you would review m/m. Now they look very silly.

There are a lot of review blogs out there, and I'm not going to suggest that authors try to keep up with them all. I only read around half a dozen reasonably regularly. But it's as well to check out a week or two's worth of posts before sending a reviewer a review copy, just so you have some idea of the blog's style. Doesn't look as if that happened with this one.

[identity profile] elisa-rolle.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 07:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, I realized that now. And if I had before, probably I would had not engaged in such conversation with them, or at least wouldn't have considered too much such comments. Thank you, Elisa

[identity profile] valkovalin.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 07:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Hi, Elisa. I'm so sorry that this author didn't appreciate your efforts to help her! I'm not sure why people sometimes behave the way they do online.

I definitely see some bizarre behavior sometimes like writers insulting editors for rejecting their work, and that sort of thing.

Lots of people commit career suicide online, and this thing that you described fits that category. How very stupid of this writer to go out of her way to antagonize THE premier reviewer in the m/m field! I mean, other reviewers like me look to you as our ideal! :)

Maybe one excuse for this writer's behavior may be that she is at the very beginning of her career or is very young and has no idea what she's doing.

So definitely go on doing all the things you like to do: reviewing the new authors, giving your honest opinion, taking review requests. There are plenty of new writers out there who are decent people and could use the help that you're in a position to give them.

By the way, I love your sense of humor through all this: "If U was more M/M focused I would be a man!" That's very funny! :)

[identity profile] elisa-rolle.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 07:33 pm (UTC)(link)
After all this, and also since I'm a little better, I'm re-reading all the comments I had with them. They didn't directly accuse me, but more my LJ, that maybe it's even worst for me, since who care what people think of me (I care BTW, but this is another matter), but if they question how I post...

They said "people ignore the review", "when the other review came out, people paid more attention knowing that the other site is very vocal about M/M only" (this is the comment I read as me not being focused enough, maybe I'm wrong...), "the response from that other blog swayed the publisher to change something". When I asked if they were saying that people ignored my review, the reply was "probably fewer people than usual read it".

Maybe I react in the wrong way, maybe the migraine took away my mind, but those words still make me upset.

Elisa

[identity profile] cathalin.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 07:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, dear. Normally I wouldn't comment so soon after friending your journal, but I just have to say, your name and reviews pop up *everywhere* in references to m/m! That is how I found you, and once I started reading your journal, I was so impressed with your classy and kind yet insightful criticism of fiction, plus other things m/m, that I had to stay. I think being a good reviewer is very difficult, and for you to do it book after book after book is amazing. Also, it's very impressive that you're willing to read stuff from new authors, but I suspect that's one of the reasons so many people read you, because they can count on you to find new things.:) - Cath

[identity profile] elisa-rolle.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 07:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you Cath, reading new authors it was always a pleasure for me, and it made me upset to have that response. But thank you for your kind words, and sorry if one of my first post as your friend was a rant, they are very rare, I swear. Elisa

[identity profile] cathalin.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 07:47 pm (UTC)(link)
No, I know.:) I friended you recently, but read as a lurker for a while before that. One of the things I like is your kind tone (again, mixed with criticism/insight that helps readers *and* writers understand the strengths and weaknesses of different works).

[identity profile] valkovalin.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 07:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, I can understand how those words are upsetting. Especially when you've got a migraine! That will make everything seem even worse.

You put so much time and work into your LiveJournal -- both the content and the beautiful appearance! Rest assured that your site is unique.

I've been looking at every m/m site I can find these days just out of curiosity, and I don't see anyone else who features as many different m/m-related things as you do, or who reads as fast and as much as you do.

There is an award in the science-fiction field for the type of work that you're doing for m/m romance: the Hugo Award for Best Fan Writing (which you can read about here if you're curious http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Award_for_Best_Fan_Writer). This one guy has won this particular award almost every year. If we had such an award in the romance genre, or even better the m/m romance genre, you would win it every year for sure!

[identity profile] elisa-rolle.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 07:50 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't like snarkiness, I try to convey my idea, and always state that it's my opinion, not "law" ;-) Elisa

[identity profile] elisa-rolle.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 07:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you Val, winning an award is my secret obsession ;-) No, not really, but I have quite an ego and so it would be nice. Elisa

[identity profile] catkane.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 08:00 pm (UTC)(link)
*hugs*

Just adding my two cents to the pile to say I hope you don't change all the great things you do just because of one person.

Your LJ is such a fantastic resource and you're such a great advocate of M/M and its writers -- don't let anyone tell you different! It was wonderful meeting you at Yaoicon last year, and anyone else who did can vouch that you definitely know your stuff when it comes to the genre, and it's always a delight to read your views!

[identity profile] elisa-rolle.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 08:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you Cat. I was so embarassed in taking the word in those panel at YAOI Con, but I so love what I do, that I had to say my point of view. I really love to talk of romance, and even more of M/M romance, that is only a pleasure when there is someone interested enough not only to listen to me but also to reply. Elisa

[identity profile] catkane.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 08:13 pm (UTC)(link)
You had some really interesting and valid things to say, as always. Your passion for the subject always shines through, be it in person or here on the LJ. I wish I could have talked to you more!

And I don't know about anyone else, but once I realized it was you, I felt a little nervous! *laughs* I mean, I was meeting someone whose opinions I really value, it was like meeting one of the official guests!! (It's a shame you won't be going this year, but right now I'm not sure if I'll attend either.)

[identity profile] valkovalin.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 08:16 pm (UTC)(link)
You're welcome. I think the science fiction field is more open to gay themes than the romance field, which greatly puzzles me at times. We should have such an award in m/m and you should win it! :)

[identity profile] elisa-rolle.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 08:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Unfortunately SF is not so near for me to be a frequent flyers, but I'm really thinking to do something in 2010, if not SF maybe some other convention. Elisa

[identity profile] elisa-rolle.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 08:21 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not puzzled at all, the sci-fi allows more freedom than other genres, and then romance is a really conservative world, even if it doesn't seem... in how many other genre there are rules to follow like in the Regency romance?

[identity profile] valkovalin.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 08:27 pm (UTC)(link)
You're right! I forgot about those Regencies. And Science Fiction is all about the new horizons ...

[identity profile] granamyr.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 10:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Not enough m/m focused?!?! What crack are these people smoking?!

Ignore the assholes, Elisa. All your LJ friends love what you do.

[identity profile] mallorypath.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 10:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Hi, Elisa.

You already have a lot of comments on the m/m-focus, so I won't belabor that. I just want to say that I hope this experience has not put you off of new authors, because as a reader who likes to try new things and as a new author myself (though I don't think I've written anything long enough for you to review yet), I really appreciate your generosity and the chances you give to new writers.

~ Mal.
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[identity profile] jaye-valentine.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 10:51 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't know about any other writers, but after you post reviews of our work we immediately see our titles going chugga-chugga-chugga upward on the distributor lists. Your reviews, at least for us, have consistently impacted sales, and I doubt we're alone in that. You're one of the few people that I personally would go out my way not to piss off. :-)

Don't change what you're doing it or how you're doing it just because of one person. Thank you for everything you do to promote this genre we all love so much.

[identity profile] leebenoit.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 11:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Elisa, I can only heartily second what others have said - you are one of the brightest lights of our genre and of new-form publishing. You bring your distinctive, principled and authentic voice to bear on all kinds of material. As far as I'm concerned, you haven't *been* reviewed until you've earned an "Elisa" review!!

You were the first person to review my first published story, back when I knew nothing at all about marketing. I didn't know of you, hadn't sent my story on my own behalf to ANY reviewers, and still you found it and gave it a lovely, generous review. I was so touched and encouraged by your words. Even on days when I'm too busy to read other blogs, I read yours and learn of new books and artists that enrich and entertain me.

You are a gem, and much appreciated, believe me.

Hugs,
Lee
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[personal profile] jl_merrow 2009-03-26 11:42 pm (UTC)(link)
*delurks to send message of support*

I really can't understand why this person acted as she did. I very much hope you will not let this affect what you do in any way. Whilst I adore your Man Candy posts, I should hate to miss out on any of your reviews! :D

[identity profile] jordan-c-price.livejournal.com 2009-03-27 12:00 am (UTC)(link)
Gosh, Elisa, I'm just stunned at the sheer stupidity of the author and publisher. I think reviews mean so much more if no one is obliged to say, "Yay! I love it unconditionally!" of every single thing they read.

You are so generous with your time and talent. Please don't let one person get you down. The whole m/m community is richer for having you.

[identity profile] karalarson.livejournal.com 2009-03-27 01:09 am (UTC)(link)
Just weighing in to say that it's your blog, and I think you've been running it wonderfully. You're fair and you always try to say something good about a book, even if it doesn't always appeal to you. I've always loved the reviews you've done of my work, and I hope you continue to run this review blog as you have: as a fount of knowledge on romance as an industry and genre, as a source of hot guy pictures, and as an honest and very nice place to read reviews.

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