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reviews_and_ramblings ([personal profile] reviews_and_ramblings) wrote2009-03-26 09:24 am

The ramblings part of the journal

I really should let not the spur of the moment drives me, but it's the second time that I slept very bad since I had a not nice conversation soon before going sleep. Since I was careless enough to start this thing online, even if then continued in private, if there are people who witnessed to that, please don't make name, I really am not writing this to bring damage to another person, but only since, if I take it inside, it will burst later in a bigger way.

More or less 2 months ago I received a nice review request, and a lot of you know that I really appreciate those. It was from a new author and new publisher, so I was even more glad. Have you notice that I give priority to new authors and publishers? It would easy enough to raise comments on famous authors, but I really think that even the newest author deserves a first chance. I'm not sure but I think that I'm quite alone in doing so, and I believe so since many authors wrote to me telling that I was their "first". And most of the time I already bought the book when they ask a review, it happened only yesterday with two requests, I already had the book.

Anyway when that request arrived I was pretty clear with that author, I said that I didn't buy the book by myself since I believed it was a menages with a woman on the side, and you all know that I don't really like them. The author assured me that it was not and so I accepted the book. I even read it as soon as possible, to give the author as much more visibility near the release date as possible. I started the post giving a warning to the content of the book, specifying that it was not a menages, and received comments, even from the author, saying that many people didn't understand it and was grateful for the warning.

Then nothing for a month; after a month another review site reviewed the same book, starting the post in the same way as me, warning the readers on the content of the book; at that point the author (or the publisher) realized that they were losing readers and took the right measures. All right, two voices are better than one, but now the author is thanking that second review site saying that all started on it. I gently made notice that it was not exactly like that and the author in different comments replied to me that:

1) maybe my review had not so much space or visibility... yes right, that month my LJ had 13.300 single visits when the average for a review site is 3.000/4.000 (those are the standard to be considered "review site"), and the review remained in the front page for a week, I always try to not let them shift on second page for a reason, you know?

2) maybe people didn't read the review since I'm not enough M/M focused (on the contrary of the other review site) and so people didn't understand that it was not a polyamour book... yes, right, if I was more M/M focused I would be a man! I reviewed 1057 books at yesterday and only 20 are M/F and only 73 are menages, and among the menages only 9 with a woman, so 29 books with a woman in 1057 means a 2% of all my reviews.

3) maybe on the other review site the post received more response from people... yes, right, my review received 22 comments from 6 different people, 4 of them not involved directly with me or the author, on the other site it received 16 comments all from reviewers of that site other than 1. 22 comments... yesterday the post in which I featured Allan Hollinghurst, winner of a booker prize, received 17 comments...

So am I taking all this wrong? Should I stick with Man Candy Posts, Gay Romance Movies, and reviews of books that will be read anyway? Should I write reviews in which I say that every book is terrific? Should I ignore a review request from an unknown author and publisher till some other review site spend its time to "taste" it in advance? I know that the answers to all these questions is NO, but authors please, when you send me a book to review could at least take a look at my LJ? NOT ENOUGH M/M FOCUSED?!?!
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[identity profile] gweneiriol.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 09:57 am (UTC)(link)
NOT ENOUGH M/M FOCUSED?!?!

that's what baffled me the most! O.o

[identity profile] elisa-rolle.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 10:03 am (UTC)(link)
Tell me, when I read that comment I was almost in cry... more since it was made compared me to another review site which only recently devoted itself to M/M, when I did from the beginning, loosing easy opportunity to free books from many publishers.

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[identity profile] alex-beecroft.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 10:13 am (UTC)(link)
The answer to all those questions is definitely no! Possibly you suffer a bit from being the first reviewer, though. I know people have said to me that they don't start paying attention to reviews until they've seen several reviews all saying (approximately) the same thing. So maybe it wasn't until the second review that the publisher sat up and took notice, because they realized that if two people were saying it, it must be quite noticeable?


[identity profile] elisa-rolle.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 10:21 am (UTC)(link)
maybe I was so touched since I realized that what I believed was quite clear, is not. Everyday I spend some minute deciding how to organize my reading list, and always, always, pay attention to new authors and publishers, since I consider them "fragile". I really have in mind those authors with a new book out eagerly waiting for someone to take notice of what they wrote. And on the other side? there is not even the minimum consideration, since how can they said that I'm not enough M/M focused?

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[identity profile] pabrown.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 10:26 am (UTC)(link)
Elisa,don't change your focus. I love your reviews. I often use your reviews to find authors I might otherwise never have heard of.

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[identity profile] elisa-rolle.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 10:32 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you :-) as I said, I know that I have to continue like that, and I know that it's not a question of not having response from people, it's more a question of being stabbed in a way I didn't expected, every comments I read it was a puncture more... Elisa

[identity profile] megleigh.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 11:00 am (UTC)(link)
Cara,

This is always the first review site I read and I love to read your reviews. Perhaps there was a misunderstanding, or something. But I would be very sorry to see you stop posting reviews, or change the way that you organize your reading. I've discovered several authors through your LJ and really, this one and one other are the only two I read often, and trust most.

Don't allow this to shake you up so badly.

[identity profile] elisa-rolle.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 11:15 am (UTC)(link)
It will pass, as always. In this moment I have a bad migraine, and I'm too shake to reason in a right way. I know that I will not change what I do, it's always such a pleasure to open a "unknown" book to find an unexpected treasure, that I will continue in doing so. It's only that some words were really hurtful, even in unintentional, and than not enough M/M focused let me really in awe. Elisa

[identity profile] clarelondon.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 11:04 am (UTC)(link)
if I was more M/M focused I would be a man! LOL

I'm sorry, I'm still sitting here with my mouth hanging open in shock. What the hell was she thinking???? At best she's ignorant, at worst she's damned ungrateful. Maybe she has links with the 'other' site that we know nothing about that make her think she has to pander to them first, but it's certainly NOT about you, because Elisa Rolle's blog is THE place to be.

That's because it's not just about your reviews - what you bring to the whole industry is the intelligent and thoughtful *content* and *style* of your reviews, also your fabulous support and encouragement to the whole genre itself. There are still only a handful of universally respected review sources, and yours is always on that list.

I think this will reflect on the author rather than you, and how foolish of them to upset someone who offered help and support for their early career steps.

Please remember all of us who read and love your reviews and love you as an honest and generous person as well.

:p to anyone who says different. Send them over here. I have 3 tough guys in the house will sort them out *lol*.
*hugs*

[identity profile] elisa-rolle.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 11:21 am (UTC)(link)
In this moment I don't know if I'm crying since my head is bursting from the migraine, since I'm upset or thanks to all the kind words. Thank you Clare, I think I will not profit of your 3 tough guys this time, but will take a rain check for the future.

[identity profile] logophilos.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 11:23 am (UTC)(link)
Ah, Elisa, the bitchiness towards reviewers even hits you, the sweetest of people. I'm sorry you've been treated so ungraciously, but unfortunately, many authors have no manners and a sense of entitlement regarding reviews which is quite disgraceful.

My advice is to ignore this ninny and should more items appear on offer from her...politely delete them.

[identity profile] elisa-rolle.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 11:38 am (UTC)(link)
I'm really thinking to do that, and then that author has already achieved enough notoriety to being no more in need to be reviewed from a site that obviously don't match the target. I'm not enough M/M focused... am I learning to build a tough exterior? but people are fortunate enough that I'm like a the Leo of my sign, I growl today, but tomorrow is all forgotten. Elisa

[identity profile] a-j-mirag.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 11:39 am (UTC)(link)
This author showed how clueless she is when she said your LJ is "not enough M/M focused". But don't be dismayed, and keep up your wonderful work. You are a very respected reviewer.

[identity profile] elisa-rolle.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 11:49 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you, authors like you are the positive side of what I'm trying to bring on. Elisa

[identity profile] b-sheridan.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 11:45 am (UTC)(link)
Please don't change a thing, Elisa.

And though this new author didn't appreciate you taking time to read and review their book so many other feel differently.

[identity profile] elisa-rolle.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 11:52 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you Barbara. You are among the few authors in that 2% from whom I accept a menages with a female. I know that I will like the book anyway. Elisa

[identity profile] arieltachna.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 12:04 pm (UTC)(link)
I've heard some pretty odd things in my day, but not m/m focused enough? That's pushing the bounds of credulity.

I love your reviews - and I know I'm not the only one - I read all of them even when I don't comment, and I've bought quite a few books because of discovering them here that I wouldn't have found, probably, otherwise. I don't hang out at any other review sites. So.

Keep reading and writing your reviews. Keep giving us newbies a chance (although I guess I don't count quite as much as I used to). And keep giving your readers insights into the wonderful world of m/m books.

Hugs,
Ariel

[identity profile] elisa-rolle.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 12:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you Ariel, such a words from an author I respect like you are a real balsam. And no, you are not a newbie no more, but I will continue to read you ;-) Elisa

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you`re the best

[identity profile] mxa19.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 12:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, sorry and hugs. Keep doing what you love and remember there are people like me who regularly read your reviews and love your site.
Love from Norway

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[identity profile] elisa-rolle.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 12:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Norway eh? so you are one of those point in the cluster map that makes me wonder :-) Hugs back and thank you, Elisa

[identity profile] charliecochrane.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 12:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Elisa

I'd say carry on doing what you believe in, ie, just what you have been doing. I rate your LJ highly, everyone I talk to does the same. Don't take to heart what this person has said (why does m/m romance sometimes make fanfic look like a civilised place?)

Be yourself and do what you do because it's unique and wonderful.

Charlie

[identity profile] elisa-rolle.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 12:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you Charlie. I'm not used to fanfiction world, so I have no way to compare, but I should learn to, as Dante said "Non ti curar di loro ma guarda e passa / Don't care of them but look and go on (more or less)". Elisa

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[identity profile] gs-wiley.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 01:05 pm (UTC)(link)
since I'm not enough M/M focused

That's hilarious. Practically the first thing I do every day is log on to see what new male/male treat you have to offer!

I wouldn't worry about ungrateful people. It might be petty, but if she comes out with any other books, just don't buy them or review them. There are plenty of other new authors who'd be insanely grateful for exposure like this!

[identity profile] elisa-rolle.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 01:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh well, maybe I should go to Casablanca and under surgery, so maybe even that 2% will disappear...

I really believe it wasn't malicious, but it is the clueless that made me so upset, and the careless of reply... you can say a lot of thing of me, but that I'm not M/M focused, please not! I even lost friends due to my "focus".

Elisa

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[identity profile] jshillingford.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 01:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Elisa, your reviews are wonderful. Even when I don't agree with you on a particular book, I always see something new in it because of your review. I, too, find new authors because you reviewed them. And, I think you deserve more credit. Many M/M fans know about your reviews, and one review from you is enough to help them decide on a new author to try. I know it is true of me. Jem

[identity profile] elisa-rolle.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 01:18 pm (UTC)(link)
You know Jem, when I went on YAOI Con in SF, I had my badge pinned to my shirt, but only for being allowed inside the convention, and instead it happened more than one time that people stopped me and said "You are Elisa, the Manlove Amazon lists"... I was so in awe to be recognized since really, sometime I have the feeling to be a duck that swim alone in her pond. I have never hidden that I have a bit of an ego, and so you can understand how I appreciated that thing. And I'm also grateful to you since at the beginning you directed some publishers to me, and I remember it. But then something like yesterday night happens, and makes me so upset. Elisa

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[identity profile] joelyskye.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 01:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, it was certainly your m/m focus that drew me to your livejournal, and that was before you were kind enough to review one of my books!

I hope your migraine is gone, Elisa, and that you feel better soon. You're doing a great job here.

[identity profile] elisa-rolle.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 01:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you Joely :-) And no the migraine is not gone, but I believe it's not only fault of what happened yesterday night. I have to go home in 4 hours more or less and I will take something for making it pass. Elisa
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[identity profile] elisa-rolle.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 02:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you Katrina. Probably the simple reason is that they don't know me and send the book at random. Next time I will be more careful to whom I devoted my very little spare time. Elisa

[identity profile] diannefox.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 01:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Your LJ is very m/m focused, and I (and all the other commenters, obviously) like it just the way it is. Your reviews are often the first time I hear about new books.

I'm sorry that author doesn't appreciate what you're doing or how much you offer the m/m reading and writing community. Your dedication to the community is something that we all benefit from. If she doesn't understand that, then it's her loss.

[identity profile] elisa-rolle.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 02:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you, since you understand in plenty what I'm trying to achieve. Elisa

[identity profile] anahcrow.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 01:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, dear. That was tactless of them. :( I love it when you review my work, because you do read so widely and have such a good understanding of what makes a romance work. I don't know many other reviewers who are so devoted to the romance-writing community as a whole.

As for whether or not you're m/m-oriented enough, that's a laugh! You are very dedicated to the genre both in writing and film and art. Your reviews of everything from eye-candy to novels are always classy and gracious and honest. We're lucky to have you.

(Also, I'm sorry you have a migraine. <3 I know how much worse they make everything. It's so hard to be tough about being disrespected when you're already down with that pain. I hope you feel better today.)

[identity profile] elisa-rolle.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 02:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you I really appreciate the "classy" definition, I always strive to make this LJ a nice place to visit. Elisa

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[personal profile] misslucyjane 2009-03-26 02:11 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm so sorry this author was so careless and upsetting. I love your LJ: the reviews have introduced me to a lot of authors and movies I never would have heard of otherwise.

Feel better, sweetheart.

[identity profile] elisa-rolle.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 02:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you misslucyjane, I will do as always, going home, taking a good book and spending the night reading. Books seldom make me upset. Elisa

[identity profile] kennsea.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 02:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Not m/m focused? I don't think they even looked!

First and foremost, you write for yourself and what you want to write about. Don't let anybody else dictate that!

And don't let the bastards keep you down!

[identity profile] elisa-rolle.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 02:32 pm (UTC)(link)
They were so clueless with their answers that I really think they never look at my LJ after I posted that review. So yes, I should not care of what they say. Elisa

(Anonymous) 2009-03-26 02:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, my. I think I know what book you mean and all I can say is, sigh.

They are nuts right? Not M/M focused????!!! Sorry, Elisa. People on the internet are sometimes very strange. I love your live journal the way it is and look forward to it every day.

Shawn Lane

[identity profile] elisa-rolle.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 02:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you Shawn, I can only think they were thrilled that the publisher did something to limit the damage, and in the excitement something "slips". But for how I am, after the first slip, I would have stopped, and instead they continue to comment worsening the thing. Maybe they were clueless, or maybe I should have not replied from the first moment. Elisa

[identity profile] lilygcs.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 02:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Elisa, I'm sorry such careless words have made you feel bad. Your site is awesome and I love to read your reviews. Don't change a thing.

I hope you get over your migraine soon *hugs*

[identity profile] elisa-rolle.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 02:44 pm (UTC)(link)
It's almost better, but I really can't wait to be home. Thank you for the kind words. Elisa

[identity profile] chrissymunder.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 02:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Just adding my disbelief to the mix. I know as a new author a lot of mistakes can be made through ignorance. This one is saddening.

Don't change a thing, please. I look to your posts to see what's new and exciting in m/m.

[identity profile] elisa-rolle.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 02:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you Chrissy. I really think they weren't aware of what they were saying, they always tried to patch things, adding only more sad to the whole (the not enough M/M focused comment...). Elisa

(Anonymous) 2009-03-26 02:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Elisa,

I for one have made your LJ a regular stop because I know I will find information about new m/m releases and authors here. Heck, when I started reading the genre, I used your archived reviews to find books that might interest me and discovered many authors that are now auto-buy for me.

If you ask me, you deserve royalty payments for all the m/m books that I alone bought because you introduced them here on your LJ.

Obviously this author/publisher does not have the best of grasp of his/her job and target audience – first placing a woman on the cover of an m/m and second not knowing enough about the online m/m community to know that your LJ is like an online reference site for many, many people interested in the genre.

Chrissie

[identity profile] elisa-rolle.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 02:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you Chrissie, it is comment like your that makes worth all the work I did. I really tried to build this LJ as an easiest way to discover the M/M romance world, and it's for this reason that comments like the one from that author are even more hurtful. But thank you to let me know that for some of you the purpose is reached. Elisa

[identity profile] eroticjames.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 02:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Wow, tactless and pointless of them. In two fell swoops and one book this author just hit "Diva" in my playbook. I'm sorry you had to experiance that. The hubris of some new authors is only sometimes outshown by how clueless they are to boot.

I cherish each of your reviews. I don't read other review site...I read yours, and you have, from before you started this LJ been a supporter of the genre. Sorry you had to go through that love.

[identity profile] elisa-rolle.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 02:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you. You are among the first the friend me back on this LJ, so I know you see it grow and change with time. I really try to make it a nice place, it's my "baby", and it makes me mad when someone put it down without reason. If I read the first reviews I made two years ago, I really am surprised that I'm still here, they are so naive and "unhelpful". But I believe to have grown with the LJ myself, or at least I hope. Elisa

[identity profile] kassa-rvws.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 03:09 pm (UTC)(link)
I think you can tell from the outpouring of support and respect how much this comment was in error. There is no doubt you are a leading reviewer and lover of all things M/M so to even pretend otherwise is ignorance on the part of that person. They sadly lack the class and knowledge that you convey so effortlessly.

It's incredibly unfortunate they spoke without having a clue about the HUGE impact you have on authors, publishers and readers. Your reviews are some of the most quoted and used that I've seen. Please do not let this stop you or even let you doubt your impact and contribution.

[identity profile] elisa-rolle.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 03:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you Kassa, I know that I haven't to be touched by things like that. And I know since everytime I doubt myself, you all are always ready to make me feel better. Elisa

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